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Asked what people would do this? He stated, no they didn't put their
vaginas in, they put their fingers in and their penis' into the dogs
butt. He stated this happened by Helen Ross, Donald Ross, the good
family, and us. Being Michael, Michelle and Kathleen. This happened when
the good and the bad family came over. He also states that it happened
to different dogs, and stated a different family had owned one of the
dogs. It happened mostly (this word is circled in ink) at our house.

"We would always do sexually abusive stuff in the living room."

They take their clothes off, somebody held the dog, the dog had tried to
yelp, but they held his mouth shut. He then stated that everyone took
turns. First the adults did it, then men, then the ladies, then all the
kids had to do it. The adults told the kids when it was their turn. (He
qualified this by saying that the adults that could talk) First the
boys, then the girls. But the boys weren't always first, it was decided
the same way as the adults by Donald Ross flipping a quarter.

He stated that the kids didn't want to do it. They would almost get
their heads cut off. The adult who had the knife would raise the knife
above the children's' head.

**A significant note** He stated that they took pictures of all the
sexual abuse. Mom and dad took the pictures, nobody else had a camera.
They had a camera where the pictures came out the front, then they put
the pictures into an album. Michael states that he think that he threw
the pictures out.

Our discussion then went back to the blood containers.

The baby's' blood, it was the good and the bad family's baby, the baby
was about 1 year old. The good family had a boy and the bad family had a
girl. They got blood from the babies. First he talked about the girl
baby, they would make a little cut in the bum and in the vagina with a
knife and then collect the blood that dripped out. Secondly, the boy
baby, cut by Helen and Donald Ross, it was a little cut on the penis and
on the bum. And again, the blood would be collected. Michael stated that
they had tried to force Michael, Kathleen and Michelle to cut the baby,
as well.

Michael states that when they got the knife to cut the babies, they
would raise the knife in the air (possibly some type of ritualistic
ceremony) and Michael thought they were going to cut their heads off.

They put the baby's blood in containers, they would drink the blood a
couple of days afterwards. Michael saw them drink it in the bedroom,
everybody had to drink it everytime Donald and

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Helen felt like drinking it.

He then talked about the babies again. About the good family and the bad
family and the Ross'. He stated that the good family wasn't always there
because "they didn't want their baby hurt again."

The bad families baby was hurt everytime it came over. They cut it,
touched it with their hands, stuck their fingers in the vagina, it was a
male baby and Michael would touch penis to penis with this baby, and put
penis' in the babies bum.

He stated that the babies of the good and the bad family were "hurt
quite a few times."

He was asked by Carol Bunko "what do you think happened to the babies?"

Michael stated, "I think that they died."

He was then asked which baby was hurt the most? Michael stated, "The
worst thing that happened to him is he got cut severe, on his penis, all
over his body. My mom and dad cut him severe." This was the end of the
first videotaped interview with Michael Ross.

Accused # 3, occurrence number 26784-91 is Donald George White, alias
Shirtliff, DOB 26-01-22 of Laird, SK (white is the common law boyfriend
of Helen Ross)

It would appear from disclosures that Michael has made since our
interviews to Carol Bunko-Ruys as well as the Thompsons' that Donald
George White is probably a leader or the main instigator of the
ritualistic ceremonies and the ritualistic abuse.

During the disclosures by Michael Ross, his only comment regarding
Donald White was that during the disclosures regarding the abuse by Dale
Klassen, Michael began talking about sexual abuse videos that were made
at Helen and Donald Ross' and at Donald Whites' place. He then stated,
Donald White was the secret man who made the videos.

Further interviews will be done with Michael Ross regarding the abuse by
Donald White. As stated previously, Carol Bunko-Ruys feels that there is
much more abuse that will come out regarding Donald White on Michael
because of his behaviour in the Thompson home, and because of disclosure
to both Thompson and Carol Bunko-Ruys.

Accussed # 4, occurrence number 26705-91, the accused name I Peter Dale
Klassen, DOB 56-07-30, possibly address of Red Deer AB (Peter Dale
Klassen is the former foster parent of Michael Ross). It should be noted
in his disclosure of Peter Dale Klassen that Michael

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Always refers to him as Dale Klassen.

Michael states that Dale "stuck his penis in my bum and made me suck his
penis."

Stated that this happened in the bathroom at Dale and Anita's house,
that being at 222 St. Pauls Place, Saskatoon. Michael further states
that Dale touched him and did this also at John and Myrna Klassens'
place, as well as, Pam Klassens' place.

He further states that at Dennis and Diane Kvello it happened in the
"chalk room" in the basement and that Dale did it to him there.

He states that at Pam Klassen's house, the same thing happened with
Michael, Michelle and Kathleen. There was Dale, Richard Klassen and
Grandpa Klassen involved in this sexual abuse, and this happened in the
basement of Pam Klassens' home, possibly 225 Ottawa Ave. South.

Michael states that he was touched at least 15-20 times by Dale Klassen.
When Michael states touching, this will include anal intercourse, and
oral sex, as well.

He states "everytime we did sexual abuse, we did exactly the same
thing".

He further states that it also happened at 310 Streb Cres. And at 310
Streb, just before the kids moved to Dale and Anita's. (An indication
there by the two of the children, both Michael and Kathleen that
possibly the birth parents, Donald and Helen Ross, and Dale and Anita
Klassen were acquainted prior to the children's move, however, this
could also be mistaken by the kids and this could have been after they
were moved to the Klassen home.

Michael also states that Trevor Klassen, being Dale's son did it to him,
and he did it to Trevor. It would appear that these boys are approx. the
same age. Michael states tat when he was doing it to Michael, Grandpa
Klassen was touching Michelle and Kathy at the same time.

During disclosures of 90-11-16, Michael states, Grandpa Klassen and Dale
did it together some time. Grandpa would laugh when Dale did it to me.

That was the end of interview regarding Dale Klassen with Michael Ross.

Accused # 5 occurrence number 26706-91, Anita Janine Klassen, DOB
60-01-12, possibly Red Deer Alberta (former foster mother of Michael
Ross) Michael's disclosure of Anita Klassen's abuse was much more
extensive then that of Dale Klassen.

Michael states that the abuse by Anita started immediately on them
moving into the home.

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